What Enneagram Type is Donald Trump?

US President

1 with a 9 wing
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1 with a 2 wing
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2 with a 1 wing
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2 with a 3 wing
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3 with a 2 wing
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3 with a 4 wing
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4 with a 3 wing
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4 with a 5 wing
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5 with a 4 wing
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5 with a 6 wing
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6 with a 5 wing
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6 with a 7 wing
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7 with a 6 wing
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7 with an 8 wing
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8 with a 7 wing
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8 with a 9 wing
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9 with an 8 wing
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9 with a 1 wing
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Don't know, just show me the results
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He's an Enneagram 3. I know a lot of people think he's an 8, but 8s aren't this dumb. 8s get power in much more clever ways. Threes tell lies and are so full of themselves (note I'm referring to 3s at their worst!) that they weave a web of uncertain falseness everywhere they go. Threes are also very rare, which is another reason people are misidentifying him. I know of two 3s who have crossed my life's path and it's almost comical comparing them all. I read somewhere online that someone said he might also be a 6 that's so unhealthy he's in 3 territory, but the more I think about it, the more I disagree. He's a three through and through, desperate for attention and yes, appreciation (the 3's version of love). When he's at his own worst, he's lazy with his care about results. He says awful things because he's not just selling snake oil. He's producing it and in love with the stuff himself. An 8, as I said before, would not operate so much from emotion (and this guy is filled with it). Chris Christie is an 8, but Trump is a 3. Big difference in how they talk to the press and so on.

agree with anonymous above. Donald Trump is a 3 with a 2 wing, or "the Charmer." We must realize that the "Fight" triad, 378, are all Assertive, Insistent, with a strong self-serving "I want it, and I want it now!" attitude. Threes are self-promoting and that is what DT constantly does. When observing a person's behavior, I look for these three rules:

1. we talk about what is important to us
"I am the most successful person to run for president" = to be seen as a success

2. we give others what we need the most
"You are the greatest" = I want to be seen as great, and therefore I think that you like that too

3. we hurt others with what hurt us the most
"John McCain is a loser, he got caught. I like winners, okay?" = I want to be seen as a success, so, being called a loser would hurt me and I believe it will hurt you too.

Donald Trump as a Three shares behaviors with Seven (self-gratification) and Eight (self-assertion). But, he is clearly a Three based on his core perspective which is expressed in what he does and says.

Trump is definitely a person with a Type 8 personality; a highly unevolved 8 at that.

I can see what you're saying, but I completely disagree with you (accept the part where your said Chris Christie is an 8; he's either an 8 or a very 8ish 6). I have a lot of respect for 8s, and 8s are often very intelligent; but 3s are even more intelligent. You know why they're able to be so deceptive and full of themselves? Because they're smart. He's not desperate for attention (that's the media bias talking), and while he certainly has a more-than-healthy self respect, his past actions particularly in the past couple months have shown that he is also self-sacrificing and humble when he needs to be. He's a smart 8; that's why he's done so well for himself, and why he's such a risk taker. 3s are not uncommon; they are far more common than 5s, 4s, and 2s, and are probably about as common as 8s, though I will admit 3s probably seem more common than they actually are, since they bloat themselves up so much and demand so much attention. (Not to mention the media eats them up.) My uncle, an 8 or 8w9, is not a twin of Donald Trump, but he is extraordinarily similar. The way he says things like they are, the way he says things without really thinking about it, the way he's a very intelligent person but the first impression you get of him is a tough guy and a crowd-pleaser. Donald is/does all of those things.

I think Trump is an 8w7 in the level 3-4 range. 8's can be impulsive and speak rashly; however, this behavior masks his true intelligence: the ability to look controversial issues dead-on in the eye and make the tough decisions. I consider myself an 8 and I relate very strongly to how misunderstood he can be, but I also see that underneath the bluster is a good heart.

I highly doubt Trump to be a Three. His campaign would have been way more polished. You'd have a better argument typing him as a Six, playing on fear. Eights are self-aggrandizing and want credit where it's due. We might consider that a Three motivation, but just as we can feel fear and not automatically be Sixes, I think the same applies here.

He has a pronounced narcistic personality with a pronounced focus on image and anyone who he believes is a threat to that image. In my mind that makes him a three. Plus the use of words, pointing to his uniqueness probably means a four wing

Definitely a 3 and probably 4 wing. Yes, he's a challenger, but it seems to be more for need for recognition and popularity. Look at how often he compares himself to others and says that he's the best at many specific things. Then look at how he reacts when anyone counters him or something goes against his wishes. Success, prestige and being admired seems much more important than the actual money and power that his fame brings. An 8 in power is wanting to achieve their goals. A 3 in power is basking in the social attention.

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Interesting debate. As an 8, I tried to honestly put him there after a healthy debate with a good friend, assuming perhaps, he was an excellent study of the 8's Shadow. However, I am so far removed from relating to his need for acceptance & emulation, I just can't see it. When I feel compelled to do anything - on another's behalf or for myself, there is a sense of unbridled determination fueled by resilience with subtle apathy towards my detractors and critics, (not vitriol or vengeance: apathy)... I also quit social media awhile ago, feeling no need to draw attention to achievements, charitable or personal. I trust and follow my gut. I do not appreciate sycophants, nor do I consider myself in the Top 3 levels of 8. So my money is on DT as a 3w4, as his penultimate seems to be the recognition accompanying achievements rather than magnanimity or simple satisfaction from achieving a goal, even in a vacuum, (i.e. putting his name on everything... By comparison, I would never seek public recognition for something as inconsequential as purchasing something - even real estate - even if someone offered to pay for it on my behalf.)

Trump is definitely an 8. Most likely and 8 with a 7 wing. I don't see how he could be a three, though obviously he is comfortable with deception - he does not care near enough what anyone else thinks of him to be a 3. He appears to be an unevolved 8, so sad. loser. just kiddin...'? He appears to have the worse tendencies of the 8 and some of the 7s. He appears to be drawn to other 8s politically, and is liked by many 6s and 3s.

I believe he's an 8. I think his personal twitter rants, especially after going on script and attacking people, are what make me think this. The people whom he trusts the most are family members and generals. He lusts after his own daughter on some level and cannot not comment about how beautiful women are. He talks in more lustful language than doing language. Fear of vulnerablity seems to bother him more than fear of failure (he never rants at people when they point out about business failings). He goes after the people who attack him and those whom he serves he takes a protective tone. I also don't think a 3 would ever have that hair.

It seems that Trump is too polarizing of a figure for some people to assess his type objectively.

His twitter rants and near constant barrage of inflammatory remarks disqualify him as a 3. There's no way a 3 would shoot from the hip so reflexively and so consistently without consideration for the potential backlash - and then continue in the face of the backlash. The man doesn't care if his truth upsets people. That's a very 8 behavior. His direct bluntness is far too unrefined to be a 3. He is constantly doing 'dominance' behaviors like tugging people toward himself when shaking their hand, making sure he's standing in the middle of the room, etc. While a 3 could learn about these things and do them to be more successful, Trump does them reflexively to maintain a sense of power and control. These sorts of subconscious behaviors are exactly what Enneagram is designed to show people about themselves.

It's clear that his primary motivation and focus is to maintain power and control, and by contrast not lose those things.

Also in true 8-ish fashion, Trump has been a champion of justice for the downtrodden for decades, donating millions to inner city causes that he doesn't make much comment about. When he does make an announcement, it's always future focused. "I am going to give <amount> to <group>." He doesn't mention it much once it's done. A 3 would point back to it frequently as proof of success. An 8 points forward to what they're going to do to help, as an assurance of their power to those who the 8 feels are suffering an injustice.

This was a really good argument:

1. we talk about what is important to us
"I am the most successful person to run for president" = to be seen as a success
2. we give others what we need the most
"You are the greatest" = I want to be seen as great, and therefore I think that you like that too
3. we hurt others with what hurt us the most
"John McCain is a loser, he got caught. I like winners, okay?" = I want to be seen as a success, so, being called a loser would hurt me and I believe it will hurt you too.

But, all of these things are expressions of power.
1. "President" = the most powerful office in the nation. He's saying "Not only am I the most powerful person, I'm the most powerful of them."
2. "The greatest" = to be beyond influence of those with less power. He's magnanimously acknowledging other people's power. 8's do this to those they respect, especially at the moment that respect is earned because they know how important it is to earn and exhibit power and have that power acknowledged. In a simple sense, it's saying "I will not use my power against your power, so you don't need to consider my power a threat - because I like to know what power I don't have to worry about, and I like to have my power acknowledged."
3. Winners exhibit power over losers. Losers prove their weakness to winners. This clearly ties into the 8s power dynamic. He's saying, "You have lost your power, and are now unwelcome among the powerful."

In contrast, Hillary is a 3, and even though she lost, she is still trying to exonerate herself as a success by accusing literally everyone but herself for her loss. She feels so much shame over losing that she has to actively and publicly combat it.

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